Sinema Split begins: 55% of Dems vote for SB1225, 45% do not vote yes

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Some people wonder why Sinema’s immigration bill SB1225 has been getting so much attention.

The answer is simple. It is because is was written by a “liberal Democrat” in Arizona. Why is this so important?

We know Russell Pearce and Ron Gould will write and sponsor horrible xenophobic and anti-immigrant bills. That’s a given, and with a veto-proof majority in both houses, those bills will most likely pass.

So the truth is that there will be minimal “liberal” bills passed in Arizona for the next two years. It is mathematically impossible for bills to pass without Republican support since their votes will be needed.

Is it worth appeasing them just to get bills passed?

As Sheriff Dupnik said last week, we don’t need any new immigration bills and law enforcement already has all the tools necessary. This was his answer to a question that was asked about SB1225. So why is Sinema insisting on making Sheriffs more powerful even though Dupnik says it is not necessary, and then with Sheriffs like Arpaio and Babeu, actually dangerous especially for immigrants?

Either way, Kyrsten Sinema got 10 Republican co-sponsors of her anti-immigration bill SB1225, including Ron Gould of the 14th Amendment bills. No Democrat co-sponsors, no Latino support.

Some of my Democratic friends have said to focus on the real enemies like Russell Pearce and Ron Gould… well SB1225 IS one of Ron Gould’s bills! His name is on it, along with 9 other right-wingers!

Unfortunately in Tucson two of our own Democratic senators jumped on board the right-wing anti-immigrant bill.

Paula Aboud in LD28 (central Tucson) and Olivia Bedford in LD27 (Tucson’s westside, Barrio Hollywood, El Rio, etc).

You can send them an email at

paboud@azleg.gov, ocajerobedford@azleg.gov

Ask them why they passed a bill that goes after immigrants who are just trying to rent an apartment, or the landlords that “profit” from immigrant renters, but under Sinema’s law now guilty of a class 3 felony for knowing and helping a “drop house” to exist.

Don’t buy the soundbites, the “this bill goes after the bad people” line.

Ask them to show you exactly how the Arizona law goes after only the bad people AND NO ONE ELSE. Ask them about Paton’s bill which Sinema’s bill uses which was misused, and how even Sinema filed a complaint about the misuse in 2006, and how the judge ruled that it was not the intent that matters, but the letter of the law.

The only arrests yesterday where of 4 Latino opponents of Kyrsten Sinema's SB1225, taken away in handcuffs after Sinema called security on them and pointed them out.

Ask them why every major Latino organization is against this bill, and why they are voting against Latinos. Ask them why they voted for a bill co-sponsored by 10 right-wingers such as Ron Gould.

Ask them if they even read the bill before voting yes, and quiz them on it.

The stakes are too high. Sure, they may be in unity with Russell Pearce’s bill, but now Russell Pearce and Ron Gould have found a way around this.

Just get a Democrat to sponsor a bill, someone like Sinema, and then the Democrats will somehow turn off their defenses, and wonder, well, Sinema is a liberal, so this right-wing bill must be good. I know Latinos are opposed to it, but I trust a good ol’ girl like Sinema more than I trust those troublemaking Latinos whose credibility is in question.

Some Democrats trusted Sinema over all the Latinos and the Native American attorneys opposed to this bill and never saw the white privilege involved in their decision. Luckily 45% of them didn’t vote yes on her anti-immigration bill, so there’s still hope, but the split has begun.

SB1225 was passed on Arizona’s horrific Day of Hate, and will forever be linked to that horrible day in state history, February 22nd, 2011. Sinema also had security called on 4 Latinos that were arrested as a symbol of that hateful day.


Information on 4 Latinos that were arrested after Kyrsten Sinema called security on them.

The old Sinema filed complaints about the misuse of Arizona's human smuggling and drop house laws. The new Sinema increases the penalty using these same laws.

Multiple arrests have been made and the Tucson Citizen’s Carlos Galindo has been detained for protesting the anti-immigrant bill SB1225 today in Phoenix.

There were several people that were detained. Three were arrested. All were Latinos opposed to her bill that, in her own words, gets “tough on immigration” by giving Sheriff Arpaio more power.

I heard that one of the persons that was taken away in handcuffs is leaving for the military last week, and was at the State Capitol protesting all the racist and xenophobic bills today.

SB1225 is sponsored by 10 Republicans, including Ron Gould who is the author of the 14th Amendment bills. This anti-immigrant bill has been opposed by Latino organizations, but yet Kyrsten Sinema refused to budge, simply dismissing in a condescending way all the attorneys and activists opposed to it… oh yeah, but they were Native American and Latino, so what do they know about the dangers of giving Sheriff Arpaio more power to crack down on immigration?

Right-wingers such as Frank Antenori have praised this bill, and while dismissing minorities, she goes on TV saying I actually love Russell Pearce and that they get along well.

That’s just great that you both love each other, because he HATES IMMIGRANT and minorities!

Kyrsten Sinema has also turned into a liar lately, from saying she didn’t vote to kill Medicaid when she did… by accident. She said all the Democrats support her bill SB1225 even though Steve Gallardo already voted against it in committee and remains opposed to it.

She also lied by going on the John C. Scott show on Monday and when I called in she said that I called her a “racist Mormon” on this blog.

Three Sonorans was a big fan of Kyrsten Sinema until she wrote an anti-immigrant bill with Ron Gould, author of the 14th amendment.

If you look at the history of this blog, up until last month I was one of her biggest fans.

As recent as January, in preparation for her talk here in Tucson, I was cutting video from her old debates with Tom Horne on Ethnic Studies to boost her name in Tucson.

When she wrote a bill to limit the First Amendment I was respectfully in disagreement.

When she voted to kill Medicaid my title was We still love you but… and I was politefully critical.

She then wrote me an angry email saying that I am spreading lies about her vote, but she voted the wrong way nonetheless, even if by “accident.” This was not limited to me, she went after James King from the Phoenix New Times also if you need more proof I’m not just making this stuff up!

Kyrsten Sinema’s pissed when she calls us back last night.

“I didn’t mistakenly vote for shit!” she fumes. “They explained what we were voting on wrong.”

The Democratic state senator’s ire isn’t directed at us, but rather at her Republican colleagues at the state Capitol — and also at Arizona Daily Star reporter Andrea Kelly, who wrote a blog post yesterday accusing Sinema and another Dem, Olivia Cajero Beford, of voting to ask the federal government for a waiver that would removed 280,000 people from Medicaid.

She was especially ticked at how Kelly mentioned high in her article that Sinema has been a lawmaker since 2005, and that Cajero Bedford has been one since 2003.

“The way they wrote it, it’s as if we’re too stupid to vote on bills,” she says.

Not that Kelly got her facts wrong, mind you.

So she has been making mistakes, but then gets all angry at US for HER MISTAKES.

Kyrsten Sinema Traitor, reference to her anti-immigrant SB1225 co-sponsored by Ron Gould. Photo: Haasch.

She is also a sponsor of a bill to place a 300% tax on marijuana. She thanked us (Tucson Progressive) for letting her know about this, but said it was not fair for us to criticize her since she didn’t know about it and now she is against it, even though she still remains a sponsor of the bill.

She has been making mistake after mistake, and getting way to cozy with Russell Pearce. Yes, I know you NEED Republican support to get bills passed this session, but the bills Republicans will support will more than likely be bad and racist in some way.

At least stand strong with your Democrats even if the bills don’t pass. Don’t sponsor bills with 10 right-wingers that gets “tough on immigration.”

And yet, to this day, she can do no wrong to her supporters. She even goes on TV and says she loves the most evil man in Arizona, and they will still defend her.

I am sure she has Congress or Senatorial ambitions, but at this point, with so many mistakes, and now by working against Latinos and having them arrested, enough is enough.

She is wrong and opposition to her will grow. Some white liberals will defend her to the end, but she will lose more votes from the Democratic Party, and Republicans will never vote for her. So why is she doing this.

One of the biggest reasons SB1225 was a focus is because it is the only anti-immigrant bill that was written by a “liberal” and a Democrat. This xenophobic disease cannot spread to the Democratic party, but it has, and must now be quarantined.

Carlos Galindo fighting for justice at the State Capitol before being almost being arrested at Kyrsten Sinema's press conference. Photo: Haasch.

Once Latinos lose all hope in the Democratic Party, Arizona is in for a revolution, and maybe it is too late to stop it. The line has already been crossed.

On Arizona’s Day of Hate, with the Russell Pearce, Ron Gould, and Kyrsten Sinema anti-immigrant and xenophobic bills up in the senate, and with Sinema facilitating the arrest of Latinos protesters to this anti-immigrant legislation, there is no going back.

More info and video of the arrests of Latinos at Kyrsten Sinema’s press conference is coming. Stay tuned!

24 Responses to “Sinema Split begins: 55% of Dems vote for SB1225, 45% do not vote yes”

  1. facts

    The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?

    Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.

    Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

    GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax;   http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

    Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarett.html

    Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant;  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

    City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city : http://www.town-usa.com/statetax/statetaxlist.html

    Beer Taxes,  are the same paid by you or the Undocumented:  http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/beer.html

    TAX DATA : http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html

    Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented  immigrants.

    The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

    Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

    In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

    The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

    Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

    But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

    According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

    One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

    No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

    Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

    The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

    The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

    To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

    Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

    With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.

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  2. facts

    THE FACTS ARE THAT JAN BREWER  DID THIS TO  THIS TO GET REELECTED, HERE ARE FACTS. THE REPUBLICANS SHOULD BRING BACK 20.000 SOLDERS FROM GREMANY&KOREA  AND NOT PERSON WILL CROSS THE BORDERS THEN, ITS THAT SIMPLE.

    AS THE GOVERNOR SHE CAN ORDER 5000 NATIONAL GUARDS TO THE BORDER. WHY IS SHE NOT DOING THIS??????????????

    1, HOW MUCH MONEY $$$$$$$ IS ALLOCATED TO ENFORCE THIS LAW?? NONE.

    2, HOW MANY NEW POLICEMEN / WOMEN SHES HIRED TO HOLD AND PROCESS THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS? NONE.

    3, HOW MANY NEW IMMIGRATION JUDGES SHES HIRED TO PROCESS  THE THOUSANDS OF DEPORTATION CASES?? NONE.

    4, HOW MANY NEW JAILS SHES BUILT TO HOLD THE THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS? NONE.

    5, HOW MANY BUSES / PLANES SHES BROUGHT TO DEPORT THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF THOSE WHO ARE ORDERED BY THE IMMIGRATION JUDGES TO BE DEPORTED?? NONE.

    CAN ANYONE ANSWER THESE FACTS? THE REPUBLICAN STATES ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS THEIR PLATFORM.
    ALL ARE GODS CHILDREN. NO HUMAN IS ABOVE ANOTHER. ALL ARE CREATED BY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD WHO LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN.
    I AM NOT SAYING DON’T CLOSE THE BORDERS I AM SAYING STOP THE FOOLISH HATE AND IGNORANCE.
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    http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congresswoman-was-in-sarah-palins-crosshairs

    The Constitution is rarely so easily accommodating. If we examine the text, we’ll find that there is no express power for Congress to regulate immigration. But there are other powers — such as the power to set up rules for who shall become a citizen and the power to regulate foreign commerce — that may indirectly relate to immigration. So can Congress regulate immigration or not?

    A strict constructionist might say that if there’s no express power, Congress can’t do it. Instead, any immigration regulation is left to the states, which under the 10th Amendment are given any powers not delegated to the feds.

    That’s certainly a reasonable interpretation. It just produces a lousy result.

    Think about it. Would you really want Delaware and Pennsylvania deciding separately who could emigrate from France or Somalia? And what would happen if someone admitted to Delaware moved to Pennsylvania? Could he or she be deported back to Wilmington?

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    Prison Industry Ties to Anti-Immigration Bills
    Tweet Reddit Facebook StumbleUpon Yahoo! Buzz By Elise Foley 9/17/10 11:06 AM

    The private detention industry stands to gain substantially from a growing immigrant detention system, so it’s no accident that a lobbying group partially funded by Corrections Corporation of America, or CCA, which operates some of the country’s largest private detention facilities, has had a hand in crafting both Arizona’s harsh SB 1070 immigration law and, now, the copycat bills springing up across the country.

    Ties between Arizona lawmakers and CCA are not news, but Think Progress has a good run down of the key points: SB 1070 was drafted with help from the American Legislative Exchange Council, which helps the private sector write legislation for states. CCA, which is slated to receive $74 million for immigration detention centers in the 2010 fiscal year, helps fund the group.

    CCA also has close, direct ties with Arizona lawmakers. Gov. Jan Brewer’s deputy chief of staff formerly worked as a lobbyist for CCA — his wife still works as a lobbyist there — and Brewer’s campaign chairman runs a lobbying firm that represents the prison corporation.

    Similar ties can be found between CCA and lawmakers in other states who have pushed for anti-immigration laws, such as Tennessee and Colorado. (Read the full rundown for the states here.) And CCA routinely gives money to state lawmakers, both Democrats and Republicans, that have direct connections to the detention business, as The Texas Independent reported last month.

    Why is it important? Think Progress explains how anti-immigration bills could help the prison industry make a profit:

    http://wildcat.arizona.edu/perspectives/anti-immigration-hysteria-tied-to-the-private-prison-industry-1.1572422
    Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed S.B. 1070 into law, and the legislation’s principal architect, Russell Pearce, both have extensive financial ties to the private prison industry powerhouse Corrections Corporation of America, a company which stands to profit in the sum of millions if Arizona’s “papers please” legislation is enacted.

    CCA, one of the leading providers of detention and correction services in the country, holds the contract to imprison all federal detainees in the state of Arizona. S.B. 1070 would lead to more arrests on federal immigration charges, causing money to pour into the gargantuan coffers of the private prison industry and directly into the bank accounts of those who are financially tied to it.

    Republican state senator Pearce submitted a draft version of S.B. 1070 to the American Legislative Exchange Council for revision months before the bill was introduced to the floor of the Arizona Senate. Pearce is one of 35 Arizona legislators who belong to this organization.

    Two years prior, ALEC was the recipient of millions of dollars in contributions from CCA and Geo Group, two of the largest private prison companies in the state.

    Pearce’s financial records also indicate that the political action committees funded by both CCA and Geo Group have donated the maximum amount allowable to his campaign.

    Gov. Jan Brewer’s deputy chief of staff, Paul Senseman, is a former CCA lobbyist.  His wife Kathryn Senseman currently lobbies the state legislature on behalf of the company.

    Still more damning is the fact that the governor’s leading policy advisor, J. Charles “Chuck” Coughlin, is the president of Highground Consulting,  the lobbying firm which represents  CCA’s interests in Arizona.

    CCA also contributed a total of $10,000 dollars to the Prop 100 campaign earlier this year, an initiative, along with S.B. 1070, which set the stage for Brewer’s reelection bid.

    Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO was among the first to report on this glaring conflict of interest. In retaliation, the Brewer campaign pulled ll advertisements from the network.
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    The economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.

    That represented an astounding 5.4 percent to 10.7 percent of the trust fund’s total assets of $2.24 trillion that year. The cumulative contribution is surely higher now. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of $12 billion in 2007 alone, Goss said.

    Previous estimates circulating publicly and in Congress had placed the annual contributions at roughly half of Goss’s 2007 figure and listed the cumulative benefit on the order of $50 billion.

    The Social Security trust fund faces a solvency crisis that would be even more pressing were it not for these payments.

    Adding to the Social Security irony is that the restrictionists are mostly OLDER AND RETIRED WHITES  from longtime American families. The very people, in other words, who benefit most from the Social Security payments by unauthorized immigrants.

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    Moments after signing Arizona’s tough new immigration law in April, Gov. Jan Brewer was asked WHAT A ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT LOOKS LIKE????

    The question, posed during a news conference that was broadcast live on TV, seemed to catch Brewer off guard. After a long pause, she said, “I DON’T KNOW WHAT A ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT LOOKS LIKE. I can tell you that there are people in Arizona that ASS-U-ME they know what an illegal immigrant looks like. I DON’T KNOW IF THEY KNOW THAT FOR A FACT OR NOT.”

    Her answer cut to the very heart of the controversy surrounding the law, which takes effect July 29. Although there are many people who assume they know what an illegal immigrant looks like, the fact is, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to tell a person’s immigration status by appearance, experts say.

    So despite assurances to the contrary, some civil-rights groups and others fear that enforcement of the law will lead to racial profiling. Several lawsuits already raise worries of civil-rights violations, and a group of Arizona law professors concluded the law authorizes enforcement based on ethnicity. That, they allege, would mean officers would end up harassing and possibly detaining people who aren’t illegal immigrants.

    The vast majority of illegal immigrants are Hispanic. But most Hispanics in Arizona are not illegal immigrants – they are legal residents or U.S. citizens, many with roots dating back generations.

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/07/18/20100718illegal-immigration-profiling.html#ixzz0u2wY1a1d

    What  they FORGOT to Mention in their SPIN POLITICS is that

    It’s all about economics! Removing undocumented workers from the U.S. would total a loss of $1.8 trillion in annual spending and $651.5 billion in annual economic output, according to a study by the economic analysis firm The Perryman Group. It would cost about $28 billion per year to apprehend illegal immigrants, $6 billion a year to detain them, $500 million for extra beds, $2 million to judicially process them and $1.6 billion to transport them home. $230 Billion is the estimated amount it would cost over the next five years to enact the scenario of the mass-deportation caucus and deport the undocumented population, according to a report by the Center for American Progress. Legalization of undocumented immigrants would significantly expand the economy—by a cumulative $1.5 trillion in gross domestic product over 10 years. A deportation approach, by contrast, would have the cumulative effect of draining $2.5 trillion over 10 years from the U.S. economy. Illegal immigrants are paying their share of taxes, they pay the same taxes as you and me when they purchase anything, They don’t carry a card that says Undocumented Immigrant, DON’T CHARGE TAXES
    Start looking at FACTS & NUMBERS.

    Who’s behind these laws?

    FOLLOW THE MONEY$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Many may want them gone, but illegal immigrants in Oklahoma can be good business.

    So say county officials who handle the purse strings of some sheriff’s departments in the state. Millions in revenue for transporting and detaining immigrants for the federal government have financed jobs, departments and, in some cases, entire jails.

    “It’s a good business plan,” said Tim Albin, chief of the services division that oversees the budget for the Tulsa County Sheriffs Department. “It allows us to bank and put money back and carry over for other things.”

    Read more: http://newsok.com/jailing-immigrants-adds-funds-for-some-counties/article/3489827#ixzz0yC9uF24O

    The Immigration Reform Law Institute, or IRLI, the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR, drafted the Arizona law and most of the copycat bills. The Southern Poverty Law Center designated FAIR a hate group because of its founder’s writings, its repeated participation with white nationalist groups, and its receipt of major funding from a racist organization.

    Copycat laws frequently rely on the work of attorney Kris Kobach, who works for IRLI. Kobach’s lawyering has cost localities who have hired him millions of dollars while the laws have been found unconstitutional.

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  3. facts

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10

    http://www.alternet.org/immigration/149067/investigation_reveals_the_deception_behind_the_anti-immigrant_movement

    http://www.alternet.org/media/149356/top_10_ways_the_white_nationalist_tanton_network_got_busted_in_2010

    http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retirement/article/111582/filing-for-bankruptcy-in-retirement-a-good-thing?mod=fidelity-managingwealth&cat=fidelity_2010_managing_wealth

    This week, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) came out with a report entitled, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, which discusses the costs of unauthorized immigration to the United States. As usual, FAIR has put out a highly misleading fiscal snapshot of the costs allegedly imposed on U.S. taxpayers by unauthorized immigrants and completely discounts the economic contributions of unauthorized workers and consumers. Moreover, FAIR inflates their costs in a variety of ways and conveniently ignores any contributions that would offset these costs.

    While the publication is long and deals with a wide range of issues that warrant more dissection by credible economic experts, the trade publication Education Week has already begun the deconstruction with an item that sheds light on their misleading claims about providing English language services in schools.

    Another argument FAIR makes, which makes it hard to glean what their solution would be is the high cost of deporting undocumented workers which FAIR blames on the immigrants themselves. It’s a somewhat circular argument to say that the cost of undocumented immigrants includes the cost of failing law enforcement efforts. So, in essence, FAIR is saying that the deport-them-all approach costs too much money and doesn’t work. Yet their “solution” is to spend even more money on enforcement.

    FAIR’s data is meant only to reinforce their vision of “attrition through enforcement.” It is not rooted in an effort to move the immigration debate forward. Therefore, passing comprehensive immigration reform – which would yield a cumulative $1.5 trillion in added U.S. gross domestic product over 10 years – is the only sound economic decision the United States can make. 

    SOURCE Immigration Policy Center

    Who’s behind these laws?

    The Immigration Reform Law Institute, or IRLI, the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR, drafted the Arizona law and most of the copycat bills. The Southern Poverty Law Center designated FAIR a hate group because of its founder’s writings, its repeated participation with white nationalist groups, and its receipt of major funding from a racist organization.

    Copycat laws frequently rely on the work of attorney Kris Kobach, who works for IRLI. Kobach’s lawyering has cost localities who have hired him millions of dollars while the laws have been found unconstitutional.

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  4. facts

    It’s all about economics! Removing undocumented workers from the U.S. would total a loss of $1.8 trillion in annual spending and $651.5 billion in annual economic output, according to a study by the economic analysis firm The Perryman Group. It would cost about $28 billion per year to apprehend illegal immigrants, $6 billion a year to detain them, $500 million for extra beds, $2 million to judicially process them and $1.6 billion to transport them home. $230 Billion is the estimated amount it would cost over the next five years to enact the scenario of the mass-deportation caucus and deport the undocumented population, according to a report by the Center for American Progress. Legalization of undocumented immigrants would significantly expand the economy—by a cumulative $1.5 trillion in gross domestic product over 10 years. A deportation approach, by contrast, would have the cumulative effect of draining $2.5 trillion over 10 years from the U.S. economy. Illegal immigrants are paying their share of taxes, they pay teh same taxes as you and me when they purchase anything, They dont carry a card that says Undocumenetd Immigrnat, Dont charge taxes.
    Start looking at FACTS & NUMBERS. Not the HATE GROUPS LIES.

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    • OregonBorn

      facts, You need to get your facts straight. Money isn’t the main issue here, ILLEGALLY IN THIS COUNTRY is!! Stop trying to twist the facts and get a dose of common sense. It is not in our country’s best interest to have open borders, no matter how much the politicians salivate over the thought of illegal’s votes, THEY ARE STILL BREAKING THE LAW AND ENDANGERING OUR WAY OF LIFE. And you’re wrong about all the money they supposedly pay in taxes. They are, and always be a serious drain on America’s resources, period!

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  5. RH

    Blue dog democrats are simply blue dog democrats, unlike the GOP and their rhinos, we democrats don’t eat our own, we leave the electorate to deal with them, if they are doing what their electorate wishes they get re-elected if not then they go home! :-)

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    • OregonBorn

      It appears you spoke too soon RH. They don’t go home…they go to Illinois, lol. It’s time they faced the electorate and their wishes instead of playing games!

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  6. Matthew Laos

    The United States and Mexico have a long established relationship, particularly as it relates to the current territories formerly within the confines of Mexico.   This relationship should ensure some legal respect under the law especially noting that the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (Article 8 and 9) previously outlined a template of rights for persons which “now reside”.   As a former territory, Arizona especially has a special duty to demonstrate it meets those obligations.

    ARTICLE VIII
    Mexicans now established in territories previously belonging to Mexico, and which remain for the future within the limits of the United States, as defined by the present treaty, shall be free to continue where they now reside, or to remove at any time to the Mexican Republic, retaining the property which they possess in the said territories, or disposing thereof, and removing the proceeds wherever they please, without their being subjected, on this account, to any contribution, tax, or charge whatever.
    Those who shall prefer to remain in the said territories may either retain the title and rights of Mexican citizens, or acquire those of citizens of the United States. But they shall be under the obligation to make their election within one year from the date of the exchange of ratifications of this treaty; and those who shall remain in the said territories after the expiration of that year, without having declared their intention to retain the character of Mexicans, shall be considered to have elected to become citizens of the United States.
    In the said territories, property of every kind, now belonging to Mexicans not established there, shall be inviolably respected. The present owners, the heirs of these, and all Mexicans who may hereafter acquire said property by contract, shall enjoy with respect to it guarantees equally ample as if the same belonged to citizens of the United States.

    ARTICLE IX

     
    The Mexicans who, in the territories aforesaid, shall not preserve the character of citizens of the Mexican Republic, conformably with what is stipulated in the preceding article, shall be incorporated into the Union of the United States. and be admitted at the proper time (to be judged of by the Congress of the United States) to the enjoyment of all the rights of citizens of the United States, according to the principles of the Constitution; and in the mean time, shall be maintained and protected in the free enjoyment of their liberty and property, and secured in the free exercise of their religion without restriction.

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    • OregonBorn

      Thank you Matthew Laos,
      What most democrats don’t understand, is that our Founding Fathers provided for the citizens of the Mexican Republic to become United States Citizens if they “shall not preserve the character of citizens of the Mexican Republic”. Congress was to be the judge of when, at the proper time,by their conformity, they shall be admitted as a U.S. citizen and enjoy all the rights thereof. Diversity was NOT to be an issue. We were all to be “Americans first” and believe in the American way of life for our country’s well-being. If this simple law would have been followed, we would not have ANY of the immigration problems we have today, where immigrants want to come here and change US.  Sadly, the democrats want to help them achieve that goal. Democrats cry out “we all came from immigrants.” True, but those immigrants didn’t just come to America…THEY BECAME AMERICANS !!

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      • Matthew Laos

        The Dream Act or Comprehensive Immigration reform are more constructive means to deal with immigration issues of  today and not arbitrary state laws.  Ronald Reagen met the immigration issue of his time with a reasonable framework of inclusiveness and there is no reason we cannot do that again.   As Democrats and Republicans, we need to look to our history which provides clear evidence that inclusiveness and not divisiveness is the better approach.    Guadalupe Hidalgo is a treaty in perpetuity and pre-dates Arizona Statehood and cannot be ignored.  Our relationship with Mexico as a contiguous country cannot be ignored nor our common heritage to anyone of Mexican descent, past, present or future.  Our civil rights history cannot be ignored.  The future of Arizona and of the country is laid out from  its past which has a pre-existing history of tolerance  which cannot be ignored.  We need to remember our past which will set us forward to a brighter future, one Nation, under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.

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        • Jim W.

          Matthew, Does this treaty apply to all Mexicans regardless of where in Mexico they came from or to those who resided here originally? Also, does it make provisions for those who come here from other countries? This is an anti-illegal immigration bill and applies to people of any color, creed, etc. who are here illegal. Where is the racism in that? Do you support white illegal aliens from Canada?

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  7. tiponeill

    Aboud used to be my favorite – what a disappointment. She never even bothered to call back and explain why she supported the Tax the Sick bill.
    I think our Dem representatives are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and it’s time to primary them out and get some new ones.

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  8. ziggy

    You guys keep talking about anti-immigrant laws. No one is against immigrants. We are against illegal immigrants. They need to go home and try it again. This time according to this country’s laws. Or, better yet, do it according to Mexico’s laws.

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  9. Conte

    The immigration piece is the only thing that ensures that the repubiclan idiots will continue to get re-elected. Everyone is sick of the issues stemming from illegal immigration and want it stopped. I’m good with Sinema, she’s got her head in the right place.

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  10. stephenlemons

    “45% of them didn’t vote yes” By which, you mean, 3 Ds voted no, and one didn’t vote at all. 5 Ds voted yes.
    Dude, there are only 9 Ds in the Senate, so the “stats” are a little misleading.
    Not that I don’t admire good propaganda… ;)

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    • Dumr Den U

      Right on……Spin it hard…..Wu will save you in his tiger suit…..Did you know that tigers cross the border all the time…..Landscape for free…..

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  11. Jim W.

    So, where is the supposed racism and xenophobia? It doesn’t say Illegals that are Hispanic!!! It says those who are in the country illegal. Why do the left-wingers have to use “racism” every time they don’t get their way? It seems they are focusing their attention on race far more than the lawmakers. Who is the racist? Those who uphold our laws or those who support illegal activity amongst their Latino ethnicity? And do these left wingers support  Middle East or Canadian illegals also? Or is that different?

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  12. Dumr Den U

    C’mon, just pull a Wu and drunkenly pass out in yer tiger suit……Yeah, credibility of any Dem….Are you harmless or really that evil…..?

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  13. Jim W.

    Facts, the fact is that the illegals came here knowing it was a gamble but it was worth it. For most it was their only option. I empathize with them. When I go into a casino I don’t protest when I lose! They were allowed to be here and take advantage of the system and our generosity. Just because there was an amnesty before they thought it would happen again. Well, it didn’t. There is no hate or racism involved, just common sense in dealing with a country in a major recession who can’t afford to keep turning a blind eye to the illegals. If I were in their shoes I would be lobbying for a better guest-worker program. Maybe the government would grant a temporary injunction of this law until a program could be put in place. Yelling “racist” or “haters” will not get you any points for integrity or reason. Respect the law and learn to change it. In return you may receive the respect you want.

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